[Campaign] reply to Paul Sandhu from Robinhood about nature and nurture

[Love For Life Campaign]

*In response to what Paul Sandhu stated **"Evil Lives In The Heart Of 
Every Man" 12th December 2007

Conti Schulz wrote 13th December 2007:

Dear Paul Sandhu,
Greetings from cold and snowy northern Ontario. I have a counter-example 
to share with you in regards to your belief that man is evil. In my mind 
the problem is that many men and women have been enculturated to live in 
FEAR because most cultures nowadays teach abstract notions, such as an 
alphabet, rather than something as practical as eco-literacy or 
wilderness survival
techniques. Thus the FEAR of survival is usually not properly addressed, 
as it is in Indigenous cultures.

The Okanagan Indians in Canada's Okanagan valley had their land stolen 
from them and suffered terribly at the hands of the brutal Euro-Canadian 
and Anglo-Canadian leaders. Yet the Okanagan Indians have stayed 
forgiving and understanding towards the White newcomers. They are 
examples to me on living forgiveness and I have told some of them that. 
And I have wondered why?

Methinks it's because the Okanagans have not been enculturated to fear, 
even death, and that probably makes them forgiving and able to move on. 
If Jesus helps you to move beyond fear good on ya! However, I have 
humbly offered you are counter-example to your notion that Jesus is the 
only way.

Also, if you are real about Jesus, it is not actually Jesus that does 
the Great Work of removing fear from the heart of Christians, it is the 
holy, HOLY Spirit which does that Great Work. And I figure that being so 
close to nature as Indigenous people are allows the
HOLY SPIRIT to enter and stay in their hearts.

All the best to you, Robinhood up near the North Pole. *

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Paul Sandhu responded to Conti 15th December 2007 *
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*Dear Conti:*
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*Thanks for your thoughtful reply from cold N. Ont. I myself am in 
Toronto and have also lived in Manitoba as well as BC so I am familiar 
with both the cold and the native cultures. I have been on some reserves 
in Manitoba and have spent some time with natives so my knowledge of the 
people and culture is first hand not academic. Being a history buff I 
know more than a little about American and the cultures of other tribal 
peoples on other continents. All tribal cultures are NATURAL cultures, 
that is they live off the land and have more interaction with their 
natural surroundings than we do in cities. This however does not make 
these cultures peaceable or peace loving since NATURE is brutal and 
completely SELF CENTERED not selfless. The world of nature is a dog eat 
dog world (just watch The Discovery Channel) where survival at any 
expense is the rule. Nature is merciless, even the Earth that many 
cultures so revere is a merciless entity that can at any moment destroy 
thousands and millions of lives. The jungle is not a peace loving or 
safe place; it is a dangerous place, so much so that even dangerous 
urban places are termed 'urban jungle.' Native cultures are a reflection 
of the NATURAL law, that is they are survival based and like nature they 
were as a rule brutal and merciless. So we who are striving for higher 
spirituality should not seek to emulate nature, nature will eat you up 
and spit you out in a NY minute. The bible makes a clear distinction 
between NATURAL and SPIRITUAL. Natural is Earthy, from below whereas as 
spiritual is from above - we cannot go down to nature and expect to 
become spiritual although we can certainly become beasts which is what 
we find in nature. *
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*Are you also contending that there is no co-relation between EVIL and 
FEAR? Are you contending that there is no such thing as evil which many 
cultures and religions do? I am late for work so I have to keep this 
short but if you haven't seen it you can check out my website for my 
beliefs www.signsoftheend.net <http://www.signsoftheend.net> You may not 
agree with anything I write but I guess that's what makes us free 
thinkers, the freedom to think for ourselves. Warm wishes from cold 
Toronto.*
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*Paul Sandhu

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In response to Paul Sandhu, Conti Schultz stated 16th December 2007

Hi Paul,

Greetings and thanks for your reply. The dialogue about nature and 
nurture is an old one. The following quote from you seems to me, to be 
your belief system about nature. "NATURE is brutal and completely SELF 
CENTERED not selfless."

I have a counter-example for you again. You may have heard that feral 
children have been raised by she-bears or wolves? Where is the 
completely self centred in that I sincerely wonder?

Methinks the reality about nature and nurture is more like selfishness 
and selflessness intertwined in one being. And both can readily be 
pointed out in nature and in man.

So I am thinking out loud here, that you and me could just agree to 
disagree about our beliefs about nature and the nature of man.
All the best to you, Robinhood.

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In response to the comments of both Paul & Conti Arthur Cristian stated 
16th December 2007*
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Hi Conti & Paul
Continuing on from my previous email to Paul (see: 
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/2713) and in response to your recent 
postings.

**Nature mirrors the creations of MAN & Hu-MAN. We are all effected by 
the relationships we engage in, good, bad or indifferent. Our behavior 
and attitudes impacts all our relationships with mum, dad, brothers, 
sisters, partners, children, friends, associates, community, plants, 
trees, birds, pets, soil, air, atmosphere, water, rivers, lakes, oceans, 
wind, rain, sun, light, stars, comets, asteroids etc etc. The effects of 
our creations upon our relationships bounce back to us from our 
relationships.

The effects of our ancestors effect us as well as our descendants. There 
is no separation between MAN and MAN, between Time and MAN, between 
Space and MAN and between Dimension and MAN. What we create good, bad or 
indifferent, effects creation, because MAN is creation and there is no 
separation between Creation and MAN. Our ancestors is MAN, our 
descendants is MAN and we are MAN, regardless if we are behaving as 
hu-mans in the mean-time. The Creation of the past and the Creation of 
the future is the Creation of the here and now. There is no separation 
between creation and creation. Creation just is. Love just is.

**As we all know there are trillions of stories circulating earth about 
the good, the bad and the indifferences of relationships. Every story, 
soap opera or not, is about a relationship. **We are all entwined in 
relationships and there is no escaping them, regardless if we try to 
ignore them all by becoming Self-Centered in the dungeon of our 
"Intellect". Conscious or Unconscious, we are always in relationship to 
soul, to each organ, gland, and cell of our body, to our real feelings, 
to our thoughts, to our words, to our deeds, to our family, to our home, 
to our garden, to our work etc. What we create, good, bad or 
indifferent, effects the relationships we are effecting and our 
relationships bounce back the creations of our effects to us, good, bad 
or indifferent.

What MAN creates with nature, nature bounces back to MAN.

NATURE IS MAN and MAN IS NATURE.

There is no separation between MAN and NATURE.

There was a time before all the harm-doing rubbish of con-structs 
(black-images) started, around 10,000 years ago in Ancient Egypt, when 
MAN lived in the Garden of Eden. MAN only created pure and sincere 
feelings (white-images), thoughts (white-images) and deeds 
(white-images) of love. Harm-Doing feelings (black-images), Harm-Doing 
thoughts (black-images) and Harm-Doing deeds (black-images) did not 
exist for MAN in the Garden Of Eden as the harm-doing black-images were 
beyond MANS comprehension.

The Garden of Eden represented No Separation Between Man and Nature.

In the Garden Of Eden all life-forms of creation (white-images) were not 
bouncing back any form of doing-harm (black-images) to any other 
life-form (white-images). With love being king and queen, the Earth (the 
relationships (the white-images) between MAN, Nature and the Universe) 
was very peaceful, friendly and free. All beasts big or small lived with 
MAN and never hurt MAN because MAN never hurt them. MANS loving Creation 
of friendship was Natures friendship with MAN. The Con-Struct of Fear 
(black-images) did not exist in the Garden of Eden. This all changed 
with the advent of unfriendly harm-doing hu-man black-images. Nature 
began to mirror the creations of hu-mans unfriendly harm-doing 
black-images and this is the unfriendly harm-doing black-image of nature 
we live with today. When MAN returns to creating images of love 
(friendship), Nature will be impacted by MANS loving Images of 
friendship, and WILL bounce back MANS loving images of friendship to 
MAN. This is when the Garden of Eden will return  to Earth. 

WHAT MAN "WILLS" AS CREATION IS WHAT NATURE "WILLS" AS CREATION.

Its all a very simple matter of a free-will choice, the path of the 
light = re-creating communities of MAN where MAN serves MAN (creation, 
nature, universe) or the path of the dark = leave everything the way it 
is, with almost everyone being self-centered (me, me, me, I, I, I) 
without anytime for serving MAN.
 
All the best
Arthur Cristian
action at loveforlife.com.au
www.loveforlife.com.au

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